Mengapa Datuk berhasrat bertanding di Pekan?Kenyataan saya untuk bertanding di Pekan adalah berkaitan dengan berita bahawa (Datuk Seri Abdul) Hadi (Awang) akan menjadi calon (di situ). Saya tidak fikir presiden PAS harus didedahkan kepada risiko seperti itu. Tidak ada keperluan untuk pendekatan gung-ho seperti itu. Beliau perlu menang. Tawaran saya itu dibuat dalam konteks jika tidak ada siapa yang berwibawa, maka saya bersedia.
Bolehkah Datuk ceritakan keadaan yang membawa kepada peletakan jawatan Datuk sebagai menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri dan penggantungan Datuk dan seterusnya nama Datuk digugurkan sebagai calon dari Umno dalam pilihan raya umum 2008?
Keputusan saya untuk meletak jawatan dalam kabinet adalah kerana ia tidak dapat dipertahankan bagi saya untuk menyokong keputusan kerajaan menahan (pemimpin DAP) Teresa Kok (kiri), (blogger) Raja Petra Kamarudin dan seorang lagi wartawan akhbar (Sin Chew Daily Tan Hoon Cheng ) di bawah ISA.
Saya diambil kononnya untuk melakukan reformasi dalam badan kehakiman dan undang-undang yang zalim. (Maka) saya tidak boleh mempertahankan tindakan seumpama itu. Jadi saya letak jawatan. Saya juga tidak tahu mengapa saya digugurkan sebagai calon pada tahun 2008, kecuali orang yang mengambil tempat saya itu adalah setiausaha politik PM sekarang.
Datuk menuduh (timbalan presiden PKR) Azmin Ali melakukan penyelewengan dalam pemilihan parti PKR. Adakah pandangan Datuk sudah berubah terhadap mekanisme pemilihan dalamam PKR?
Saya tidak tahu mengenai jentera pilihan raya PKR sekarang. Setiausaha Agung Datuk Saifuddin Nasution adalah seorang yang berkemampuan, jadi beliau semestinya telah memperbetulkan keadaan tersebut.
Apakah pelajaran yang paling penting yang Datuk belajar ketika Datuk menjadi sebahagian daripada jentera Umno? Dan apakah pengajaran yang paling penting yang Datuk pelajari ketika Datuk menajdi sebahagian daripada jentera Pakatan?
Perkara yang saya belajar dalam Umno ialah perubahan adalah mustahil apabila kepentingan peribadi sudah tidak dapat dibezakan daripada kepentingan negara. Perkara yang paling penting saya belajar di dalam Pakatan Rakyat adalah (Datuk Seri) Anwar (Ibrahim) adalah penting kepada mereka, maka mereka perlu menang ketika beliau masih ada.
Jika Anwar penting kepada Pakatan Rakyat dan dengan mengambilkira bahawa beliau pernah berkata akan berundur jika Pakatan gagal menawan Putrajaya dalam PRU, adakah Datuk fikir sudah ada cukup gerakan dalam Pakatan Rakyat untuk memupuk calon-calon yang berkebolehan untuk meneruskan kepimpinan?
Jika Pakatan gagal dalam PRU akan datang, maka Anwar perlu berundur kerana beliau sendiri yang berkata demikian. Pakatan perlu mencari pemimpin yang lebih muda; dan yang benar-benar boleh membawa idea-idea politik baru kepada rakyat.
Dia perlu mempunyai keberanian untuk melakar masa depan baru negara. Dia perlu merupakan seorang pemimpin yang benar-benar boleh menyatu dan membina kepercayaan semua kumpulan di negara ini. Terdapat beberapa pemimpin muda dalam Pakatan yang boleh dipupuk untuk memimpin.
Orang yang mengundi Pakatan mempunyai isu-isu kepercayaan apabila ia membabitkan Datuk Zaid Ibrahim. Bagaimana Datuk mahu lakukan untuk mendapatkan semula kepercayaan tersebut?
Apakah jenis pemimpin yang kita boleh percaya? sudah tentunya seorang yang telah membuktikan melalui tindakannya untuk mempertahankan kedaulatan undang-undang dan hak-hak rakyat. Saya telah melakukannya. Saya telah meletak jawatan kerana mempertahankan prinsip tersebut.
Saya tidak ada skandal, tiada ketidaksopanan dalam apa jua bentuk. Saya konsisten dalam ucapan saya dan dalam tulisan-tulisan saya tentang apa yang saya percayai. Saya percaya dalam demokrasi sekular, kesaksamaan dan kebebasan untuk semua rakyat Malaysia. Maka atas sebab apa yang saya dianggap tidak boleh dipercayai?
Saya tahu Anwar menyifatkan saya sebagai 'Trojan horse' apabila kita menghadapi kesukaran semasa pemilihan parti PKR. Dan mungkin itulah sebab pengikut-pengikutnya masih tidak mempercayai saya. Tetapi saya memaafkan beliau. Pastinya, tidak ada orang yang mahu meninggalkan kabinet hanya untuk menjadi 'Trojan horse'.- S Thayaparan,malaysiakini
Can Pakatan trust Zaid enough
to re-embrace him...
There are many within Pakatan who consign him to the same category as the numerous frogs who have jumped ship. This is wrong in so many levels but is indicative of the vicious nature of partisan politics. You are either with us or against us, and any criticism is viewed as enemy action.
Right-thinking Malaysians would realise that the clearly articulated politics of Zaid Ibrahim are the same as that of Pakatan's. The accusations thrown at Zaid, that of being too ambitious and unwilling to wait in line for political power is well-documented.
Obviously for a man like Zaid, by any means necessary is not a weapon in his arsenal. A more cunning political animal would have waited patiently, eliminating unlucky prey along the way, hungrily waiting for the right moment to strike.
He gambled and lost in the high stakes of Pakatan politics and his post-Pakatan political forays saw him at odds with the Pakatan status quo, and slowly but surely the perception of Zaid became the caricature that Pakatan partisans bestow upon those who have left the fold.
Zaid, of course, played a part in this but with the general election looming, the battlefield is going to be filled with charlatans, opportunists and fortune seekers and it is in this crucial moment that a party willing to field a principled candidate like Zaid could ensure that the principles they like to talk about translates into action.
The following is the first of my two-part interview with Zaid:
Are you seeking elected office?
Am I seeking an elected office? Most definitely not. I am still in politics just to say my piece about where we have gone wrong and the right path to take. If I can open the eyes and minds of some people, then I have succeeded.
Why do you intend to stand for election in Pekan?
My statement on Pekan is in relation to the news that (Abdul) Hadi (Awang) will be the candidate. I don't think a PAS president should be put to such risk. There is no need for such gung-ho approach. He needs to win. My offer was made in the context that if no one credible is available then I am prepared.
Could you describe the circumstances leading to your resigning as minister in the Prime Minister's Department and your suspension and subsequent dropping of your name from Umno's 2008 election list of candidates?
My
decision to leave the cabinet was because it was untenable for me to
support the decision of the government to detain (DAP leader) Teresa Kok
(left), (blogger) Raja Petra Kamarudin and another newspaper girl (Sin Chew Daily reporter Tan Hoon Cheng) under the ISA.I came in ostensibly to reform the judiciary and the draconian laws. I could not defend such an action. So I left. By the way, I had no idea why I was dropped as a candidate in 2008; except that the person who took my place was the current PM's political secretary.
You accused (PKR deputy president) Azmin Ali of election impropriety in the PKR internal elections. Has your view changed on the internal electoral mechanism of PKR?
I have no inkling as to the state of the PKR election machinery now. Secretary-general Saifuddin Nasution is an able person so he must have rectified the mess.
You had a very public mea culpa moment with (PKR adviser) Anwar Ibrahim. What was your motivation behind the reconciliation attempt?
I had a brief quarrel with Anwar. He called me a Trojan horse and I called him a liar. But I am not small-minded and petty. I believe in the role of a strong opposition, otherwise the ‘cowboy' ministers will ruin the country.
Anwar is key to the success of the opposition. It's not difficult then to continue to be supportive of the opposition. This is from my side.
The opposition leaders from Pakatan however have not been that "excited" about reconciling with me. None of the top leaders have responded to my calls. It's understandable when they are all busy trying to capture Putrajaya.
What is the most important lesson you learned when you were part of the Umno machine? And what is the most important lesson you learned when you part of the Pakatan machine?
The thing I learned in Umno is that change is impossible when personal interest become indistinguishable from national interest. The most important thing I learned in Pakatan is Anwar is indispensable to them; and so they have to win when he is around.
If Anwar were indispensable to Pakatan and bearing in mind that he has said that he would step down if Pakatan does not make it to Putrajaya in this GE, do you think that there is enough of a movement in Pakatan to cultivate possible candidates to assume the mantle of leadership?
If
Pakatan fails in the next GE then Anwar has to step down as he rightly
said himself. Pakatan has to find a leader who is younger; and who can
really bring new political ideas to the people.He or she has to be brave to chart a new future of the country. The politics of the possible has to take a back seat. It has to be a leader who can really unite and build the trust of all groups in the country. There are some young leaders in Pakatan who can be nurtured to take the lead.
People who vote Pakatan have trust issues when it comes to Zaid Ibrahim. How do you go about regaining that trust?
I am surprised to know that I have ‘trust' issues amongst the people who will vote Pakatan. I always thought if there is a scale that we can measure integrity, honesty and commitment to worthy principles, I would rate highly.
What sort of leader can we trust? Surely someone who has proven by his actions to defend the rule of law and the rights of the people. I have done that. I have given up my job for that principle.
I have had no scandals, no impropriety of any kind. I have been consistent in my speeches and in my writings about what I believe in. I believe in a secular democracy, in equality and freedom of all Malaysians. I never fudge on these issues. So on what score was I untrustworthy?
I know Anwar described me as a Trojan horse when we had difficulties during the PKR election. And maybe that's why his followers still don't trust me. But I forgive him. No one leaves the cabinet just to be a Trojan horse surely.
Which is more important - gaining the trust of Pakatan or gaining the trust of the people, even though in this highly partisan atmosphere the two may not be mutually exclusive?
The
only thing that matters is to do what's right for the people. Today
Malaysian political environment is highly partisan and divided. It's
difficult to represent or say the real stuff without being seen as
supporting the other side.When I praised (PM) Najib (Razak) for repealing the ISA and the Emergency Ordinance, I was branded an opposition turncoat. Those countless things I have said and done supporting the opposition ideas are forgotten. So it's not easy to gain trust among the unthinking.
As one of the few Umno members who have demonstrated a commitment to principle, do you think you have been judged fairly in your subsequent political actions?
I have been judged unfairly, and that's because there has been so many "defections and betrayals" since 2008 that the people cannot tell the difference between a genuine freedom fighter from the turncoats.
The political climate is so charged. Political lies are everywhere, coming from both sides; that they no longer are interested to know what is true. But I always believe the truth will prevail one day; and there is no need to feel sorry about what has happened.- S Thayaparan,malaysiakini
Anwar Ibrahim di Pulau Pinang & Kedah...
15 November 2012(Khamis)
1) 8.30 pagi – Wacana Buku Islam & Melayu
Lokasi : Komplek Tabung Haji, Bayan Lepas
Ahli Panel:
i. YB Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim
ii. YBhg Dato' Dr Siddiq Fadzil
iii. YBhg Prof Datuk Dr Mohammad Redwan Othman
iv. YBhg Datuk Dr Mohd Asri Zainal Abidin
2) 6.00 ptg - Perjumpaan Dengan JPRN di Yayasan Aman
3) 7.00 mlm – Solat & Tazkirah Maghrib
Lokasi : Surau Pangsapuri Idaman, Taman Pauh, Seberang Jaya
4) 8.30 – 12.00 mlm – Ceramah Perdana – (P- Sungai Petani, Kedah)
Lokasi: Taipan Square, Bandar Puteri Jaya, Sungai Petani, Kedah
Penceramah:
i. YB Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim
ii. YB Dato' Saifuddin Nasution
iii. YB Dato' Johari Abdul
iv. YB Tan Choo Kang
5) 8.30 – 12.00 mlm – Ceramah Merdeka Rakyat – (DUN – Sungai Aceh, Nibong Tebal)
Lokasi: Dewan SJKC Yok Eng, Kg Sungai Udang, Sungai Aceh, Nibong Tebal
Penceramah:
i. YB Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim
ii. YAB Lim Guan Eng
iii. YB Dato' Dr Mansor Othman
iv. YB Tan Beng Huat
cheers.
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